• Now at Solidarity event with Syria in Faran Club Karachi - Come Join
    Now at Solidarity event with Syria in Faran Club Karachi - Come Join
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  • Millions of Syrian are homeless, I request you to invite them following the path of muhajireen times to Pakistan & adjust them in your businesses, are you ready? If so say & we will go meet Syrian Embassy for it !!
    Millions of Syrian are homeless, I request you to invite them following the path of muhajireen times to Pakistan & adjust them in your businesses, are you ready? If so say & we will go meet Syrian Embassy for it !!
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  • What do you think is solution for Syrian Crisis ?
    What do you think is solution for Syrian Crisis ?
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  • Why are muslims in Syria, and Iraq Killing each other ?
    Why are muslims in Syria, and Iraq Killing each other ?
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  • Are jews choosen people ? - By Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill

    By Rabbi Gershon Winkler

    Regarding the question about the Jews claiming to be the chosen people, and how that has led to antisemitism: my feeling is that we never claimed to the world to be the chosen people. We claimed it to ourselves, no less and no more than did the Celts claim that they were the chosen ones, or the Hopi Indians, or the Lakota Sioux or the Egyptians, or the Greeks. It is not our fault that Christianity TOOK our personal diary from us and published it all over the world. It is the early Church in its claim to be the only true religion that used our scriptures to prove this by quoting about how we were chosen by God, so that by replacing us, they became automatically the NEWLY chosen ones.

    But we Jews never publicized to the world that God had chosen us over any other. On the contrary, throughout the Tenakh we were reminded again and again that we are not THE chosen people, but A chosen people, meaning a people chosen amongst many others.

    Here are a few examples from the Tenakh, the private diary of the Jewish people:
    "In that day shall Israel be third alongside Egypt and Assyria, as a blessing on earth; for God will bless them, saying: Blessed be my people Egypt, my handiwork Assyria, and my inheritance Israel" (Isaiah 19:24).

    "Are you not just like the Children of the Ethiopians unto me, O Children of Israel? Did I not bring out Israel from the Land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caftor, and Aram from Kir?" (Amos 9:7).

    From the Talmud:
    "It is written, There never again arose among the Israelites a prophet as great as Moses (Deuteronomy 34:10) --among the Israelites there never again arose a prophet as great as Moses, but amongst other peoples, it is certainly probable!" (Midrash Bamidbar Rabbah 14:19).

    Martin Buber put it this way: "As a historical people, Israel enjoys no precedence over any other. Like Israel, the other peoples were all wanderers and settlers; they came up from a land of want and servitude into their present homeland. The one God, the Redeemer and Leader of the peoples, strode before all of them upon their way -- even the hostile neighboring peoples -- protecting them by His might. He guided their steps, gave them power, let them inherit the soil of a people that had been ruined by its sins and abandoned by history." (From "Martin Buber On the Bible", edited by N. Glatzer [Schocken Books, 1982], p. 80).

    I believe that we believe that God does not discriminate between one people and another. That God loves the Palestinians as much as [God loves] the Israelis. Sort of like a mother who writes six letters to her six children, and in each letter she writes "You are my favorite. I love you more than anything in the world!" This is why we never went out missionizing to people. We believed every-one had their own divine revelation and each their path is sacred as long as they dont use it to destroy others. A tzadik (righteous person), the Talmud teaches, is not someone who is a holy Jew, but someone of ANY faith or [ANY] people who is righteous by their actions. A tzadik is not determined by belief or religious affiliation but by how they live their life.

    So, no we are not any more chosen than the aboriginals of Australia. We are equally chosen. And when we say "asher bachar banu meekol haameem" (who chose in us from all the nations) we mean that we thank God for choosing us, too, from among all the other nations, meaning from among all those other peoples who were chosen long before we were.

    Of course the average traditional Jew will think about this differently. I believe that is because we have as a people been persecuted for so long that our religious teachers kept impressing upon us how precious we were to God in order to lift up our downtrodden spirits. A people oppressed for close to two thousand years needs to hear that they are important, chosen, the highest of the high. But theologically it is totally incorrect. We are different than most, yes. But we are not more important to God than most. God likes us because we are funny. We gave the world more comedians than anyone else.

    We are not hated because we claim to be chosen. We are hated because of the venom spread against us by the New Testament story of the Jews calling for the crucifixion of Jesus, which has been proven again and again as historically and theologically fictitious, but it is already a poison well-entrenched in every-one influenced by the Church, whether Christian or not, which is practically the entire world today.

    I think another factor of this chosen people problem is not anything we say or said to the world as much as what the world assumes we say about ourselves or think about ourselves, because the world sees us as uncompromising, tenaciously clinging to our peculiar and often politically-incorrect ways, even when those ways clash with the rest of the world. We have always been different, and always refused to conform to the religious and cultural ways of those who have conquered us, whether Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Christian, etc. which led them to assume that we thought ourselves special. Why dont the Jews give in? They couldnt understand it. Everyone else who was conquered adopted the conquerors ways. Everyone but the Jews. Which may naturally lead people to think that we think we are too special, chosen by God or the gods. Our crime was our stubborn refusal to compromise our beliefs and our ways, and so we chose death more often than any other conquered people, rather than conform or convert.

    Our crime was not our claim to be chosen. Our crime was our claim to the right to believe as we wished.

    And for that we have paid dearly.
    Are jews choosen people ? - By Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill By Rabbi Gershon Winkler Regarding the question about the Jews claiming to be the chosen people, and how that has led to antisemitism: my feeling is that we never claimed to the world to be the chosen people. We claimed it to ourselves, no less and no more than did the Celts claim that they were the chosen ones, or the Hopi Indians, or the Lakota Sioux or the Egyptians, or the Greeks. It is not our fault that Christianity TOOK our personal diary from us and published it all over the world. It is the early Church in its claim to be the only true religion that used our scriptures to prove this by quoting about how we were chosen by God, so that by replacing us, they became automatically the NEWLY chosen ones. But we Jews never publicized to the world that God had chosen us over any other. On the contrary, throughout the Tenakh we were reminded again and again that we are not THE chosen people, but A chosen people, meaning a people chosen amongst many others. Here are a few examples from the Tenakh, the private diary of the Jewish people: "In that day shall Israel be third alongside Egypt and Assyria, as a blessing on earth; for God will bless them, saying: 'Blessed be my people Egypt, my handiwork Assyria, and my inheritance Israel'" (Isaiah 19:24). "Are you not just like the Children of the Ethiopians unto me, O Children of Israel? Did I not bring out Israel from the Land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caf'tor, and Aram from Kir?" (Amos 9:7). From the Talmud: "It is written, 'There never again arose among the Israelites a prophet as great as Moses' (Deuteronomy 34:10) --among the Israelites there never again arose a prophet as great as Moses, but amongst other peoples, it is certainly probable!" (Midrash Bamid'bar Rabbah 14:19). Martin Buber put it this way: "As a historical people, Israel enjoys no precedence over any other. Like Israel, the other peoples were all wanderers and settlers; they came 'up' from a land of want and servitude into their present homeland. The one God, the Redeemer and Leader of the peoples, strode before all of them upon their way -- even the hostile neighboring peoples -- protecting them by His might. He guided their steps, gave them power, let them 'inherit' the soil of a people that had been ruined by its sins and abandoned by history." (From "Martin Buber On the Bible", edited by N. Glatzer [Schocken Books, 1982], p. 80). I believe that we believe that God does not discriminate between one people and another. That God loves the Palestinians as much as [God loves] the Israelis. Sort of like a mother who writes six letters to her six children, and in each letter she writes "You are my favorite. I love you more than anything in the world!" This is why we never went out missionizing to people. We believed every-one had their own divine revelation and each their path is sacred as long as they don't use it to destroy others. A tzadik (righteous person), the Talmud teaches, is not someone who is a holy Jew, but someone of ANY faith or [ANY] people who is righteous by their actions. A tzadik is not determined by belief or religious affiliation but by how they live their life. So, no we are not any more chosen than the aboriginals of Australia. We are equally chosen. And when we say "asher bachar ba'nu mee'kol ha'ameem" (who chose in us from all the nations) we mean that we thank God for choosing us, too, from among all the other nations, meaning from among all those other peoples who were chosen long before we were. Of course the average traditional Jew will think about this differently. I believe that is because we have as a people been persecuted for so long that our religious teachers kept impressing upon us how precious we were to God in order to lift up our downtrodden spirits. A people oppressed for close to two thousand years needs to hear that they are important, chosen, the highest of the high. But theologically it is totally incorrect. We are different than most, yes. But we are not more important to God than most. God likes us because we are funny. We gave the world more comedians than anyone else. We are not hated because we claim to be chosen. We are hated because of the venom spread against us by the New Testament story of the Jews calling for the crucifixion of Jesus, which has been proven again and again as historically and theologically fictitious, but it is already a poison well-entrenched in every-one influenced by the Church, whether Christian or not, which is practically the entire world today. I think another factor of this chosen people problem is not anything we say or said to the world as much as what the world assumes we say about ourselves or think about ourselves, because the world sees us as uncompromising, tenaciously clinging to our peculiar and often politically-incorrect ways, even when those ways clash with the rest of the world. We have always been different, and always refused to conform to the religious and cultural ways of those who have conquered us, whether Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Christian, etc. which led them to assume that we thought ourselves special. Why don't the Jews give in? They couldn't understand it. Everyone else who was conquered adopted the conqueror's ways. Everyone but the Jews. Which may naturally lead people to think that we think we are too special, chosen by God or the gods. Our crime was our stubborn refusal to compromise our beliefs and our ways, and so we chose death more often than any other conquered people, rather than conform or convert. Our crime was not our claim to be chosen. Our crime was our claim to the right to believe as we wished. And for that we have paid dearly.
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  • Solution for #Israel and #Palestine by Arnon Katz

    We have to fix things out by People because:

    1. Nobody is going to kick out the other from this land.
    2. The time is not in favor of any side, not demographically and not economically.
    3. The world involment cant really help, (see Syria and Iraq, nobody really cares.
    4. God also is not about to be bothered... He may wish to see how we sort things out as good humans but he is absolutely not in favour of specific side.

    But logic is one think and people behavior is another story...

    As long as many people on both sides will believe the other way of these 4 points we are doomed to suffer and the rest of the world will continue with his life!!
    Solution for #Israel and #Palestine by Arnon Katz We have to fix things out by People because: 1. Nobody is going to kick out the other from this land. 2. The time is not in favor of any side, not demographically and not economically. 3. The world involment can't really help, (see Syria and Iraq, nobody really cares. 4. God also is not about to be bothered... He may wish to see how we sort things out as good humans but he is absolutely not in favour of specific side. But logic is one think and people behavior is another story... As long as many people on both sides will believe the other way of these 4 points we are doomed to suffer and the rest of the world will continue with his life!!
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  • Rachel Lattin El Safty writes

    Or maybe at least to stop killing one another! More Muslims are murdered by other "alleged" muslims (because a genuine Muslim can never murder) than by anyone else. :-( Why are people not complaining about that?!? Why wont Jordan, or Egypt, or Turkey allow the people who have emigrated from Gaza become citizens, or even landowners in their countries?!?! Arent they Arab brothers? Why is ISIS, the "planned up and coming new Khalifa" on a murder spree through Iraq? Why is the Muslim world watching our brothers and sisters being murdered by the score in Syria? Why are we not condemning the rabid "islamist" terrorists like Boko Haram who are kidnapping and murdering other Muslims? So sadly, many, many innocent people are being murdered all over the earth :( Khurram, ALL people belong to Allah. From Him we came, and to Him we will return. There is one race on earth, created by the One GOD. Its called "human". Understanding the reality of this is a good start!
    Rachel Lattin El Safty writes Or maybe at least to stop killing one another! More Muslims are murdered by other "alleged" muslims (because a genuine Muslim can never murder) than by anyone else. :-( Why are people not complaining about that?!? Why won't Jordan, or Egypt, or Turkey allow the people who have emigrated from Gaza become citizens, or even landowners in their countries?!?! Aren't they Arab brothers? Why is ISIS, the "planned up and coming new Khalifa" on a murder spree through Iraq? Why is the Muslim world watching our brothers and sisters being murdered by the score in Syria? Why are we not condemning the rabid "islamist" terrorists like Boko Haram who are kidnapping and murdering other Muslims? So sadly, many, many innocent people are being murdered all over the earth :'( Khurram, ALL people belong to Allah. From Him we came, and to Him we will return. There is one race on earth, created by the One GOD. It's called "human". Understanding the reality of this is a good start!
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  • BismAllah.
    I keep being asked to comment on horrific photos of children killed in Gaza... Do the people asking not think I have feelings?
    The real question is, would the people asking these questions see any difference were the photos of Israeli children? I would not; every death of child, every injury to a child are terrible tragedies to their parents, and our Human Family. Anyone who doesnt realise this is really missing the point...
    I do not take sides when it comes to the Israeli and Palestinian peoples. How can I? Firstly, their conflict is not my conflict. Im neither Israeli nor Palestinian. Both Palestinians and Israelis are my sisters and brothers in our Human Family (Bani/Bnei Adam in Arabic and Hebrew).
    The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is over land and resources, it is not really about religion or ethnicity, both Israelis and Palestinians are multireliguous, multiethnic communities.
    Many arguments currently being made against Israel apply just as much to Hamas, and more so in some ways - Hamas deliberately targets civilians! That is completely indefensible, whichever way we look at it.
    How many Israeli children would have been killed were it not for Israels "Iron Dome" antimissile batteries? Were Hamas as heavily armed as Israel, the casualties on both sides would be countless.
    We can certainly question the Israeli response, but seriously what do we expect the Israelis to do? The Israeli government would be being negligent to do nothing in the wake of ongoing rockets launched against their civilian population. Which government would tolerate that?
    In Syria its been estimated around 9,000 children have been killed, and we still dont know how many children ISIS have murdered in Iraq. Do we only mourn when the children are killed are predominantly Muslims?
    Remember, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said all children are born in a state of fitrah. All children are innocent...
    The propaganda of extremists on both sides, both Hamas supporters and the Southern Baptist backed Likudniks, is seriously getting ridiculous.
    We need to ensure we are centred, and assess what is really going on. After nearly 7 decades, it should be clear that both sides have issues, neither is innocent, and old approaches are not bringing us any closer to resolving this conflict.
    I sympathise with the people of Gaza, but not for Hamas. As Muslims, we need to investigate, reflect and be more nuanced in our responses, not everything is as simple as it seems...
    If we care about children, we should be seeking an end to all violent conflicts, as children are always their greatest victims.
    Salam.

    Paul Salahuddin Armstrong

    Association of British Muslims
    www.aobm.org
    Bism'Allah. I keep being asked to comment on horrific photos of children killed in Gaza... Do the people asking not think I have feelings? The real question is, would the people asking these questions see any difference were the photos of Israeli children? I would not; every death of child, every injury to a child are terrible tragedies to their parents, and our Human Family. Anyone who doesn't realise this is really missing the point... I do not take sides when it comes to the Israeli and Palestinian peoples. How can I? Firstly, their conflict is not my conflict. I'm neither Israeli nor Palestinian. Both Palestinians and Israelis are my sisters and brothers in our Human Family (Bani/Bnei Adam in Arabic and Hebrew). The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is over land and resources, it is not really about religion or ethnicity, both Israelis and Palestinians are multireliguous, multiethnic communities. Many arguments currently being made against Israel apply just as much to Hamas, and more so in some ways - Hamas deliberately targets civilians! That is completely indefensible, whichever way we look at it. How many Israeli children would have been killed were it not for Israel's "Iron Dome" antimissile batteries? Were Hamas as heavily armed as Israel, the casualties on both sides would be countless. We can certainly question the Israeli response, but seriously what do we expect the Israelis to do? The Israeli government would be being negligent to do nothing in the wake of ongoing rockets launched against their civilian population. Which government would tolerate that? In Syria it's been estimated around 9,000 children have been killed, and we still don't know how many children ISIS have murdered in Iraq. Do we only mourn when the children are killed are predominantly Muslims? Remember, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said all children are born in a state of fitrah. All children are innocent... The propaganda of extremists on both sides, both Hamas supporters and the Southern Baptist backed Likudniks, is seriously getting ridiculous. We need to ensure we are centred, and assess what is really going on. After nearly 7 decades, it should be clear that both sides have issues, neither is innocent, and old approaches are not bringing us any closer to resolving this conflict. I sympathise with the people of Gaza, but not for Hamas. As Muslims, we need to investigate, reflect and be more nuanced in our responses, not everything is as simple as it seems... If we care about children, we should be seeking an end to all violent conflicts, as children are always their greatest victims. Salam. Paul Salahuddin Armstrong Association of British Muslims www.aobm.org
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  • Saeed Ahmad Rafay writes :

    170,000 Syrians yet killed but all we are crazy about and all the propaganda see is for Palestinians! What I have started realizing that we are more ruthless than Zionists.
    Saeed Ahmad Rafay writes : 170,000 Syrians yet killed but all we are crazy about and all the propaganda see is for Palestinians! What I have started realizing that we are more ruthless than Zionists.
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  • Hello sir,

    I was there when your first came to Hamdard University Karachi. I personally want to congratulate for your work for people and for your school. And i dont understand how and other people can say stand for Gaza or plastine or whatever its please dont make it religious problem no because it is terriorial problem. What hamas did was the right ? Firing 300 rockets on Tel aviv ? No it wasnt from Islamic point view niether from humanity point of view. Yeah i am also saying Israel should not strike like this. It is against humanity but they are doing it in selfdefense. If you people are standing for 200 people of Palestine then what about Iraq ? Syria ? Lebnon ? Pakistan ? What then ? Iraq have 170 + daily death avrage and that is because of muslim we are doing it ? Why people are silent i just wanted to ask you and think about it. Palestine and Israel conflict are same as Ukraine and Russia conflict the difference palestine and israel are going beyond humanity

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    Hello sir, I was there when your first came to Hamdard University Karachi. I personally want to congratulate for your work for people and for your school. And i dont understand how and other people can say stand for Gaza or plastine or whatever its please dont make it religious problem no because it is terriorial problem. What hamas did was the right ? Firing 300 rockets on Tel aviv ? No it wasnt from Islamic point view niether from humanity point of view. Yeah i am also saying Israel should not strike like this. It is against humanity but they are doing it in selfdefense. If you people are standing for 200 people of Palestine then what about Iraq ? Syria ? Lebnon ? Pakistan ? What then ? Iraq have 170 + daily death avrage and that is because of muslim we are doing it ? Why people are silent i just wanted to ask you and think about it. Palestine and Israel conflict are same as Ukraine and Russia conflict the difference palestine and israel are going beyond humanity Written by Mr Sarang Khan
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